Glass Half Full
Glass Half Full
From Cardiac Arrest To Courage: Rebuilding Life 30 Seconds At A Time
A metal building. A humid morning. A partner workout with his teenage son. Then silence. Jeff Luther’s heart flatlined, the AED fired three times, and eight minutes later he came back with a vow: die living instead of live dying. What follows isn’t a hero montage. It’s a human one—fear, bitterness, an ARVC diagnosis that punishes exertion, and a divorce that lands just as he’s relearning how to trust his body.
We walk through the messy middle: the taste of near-death that lingers, the implanted defibrillator that both protects and unnerves, and the hard truth Jeff discovered when time was measured in heartbeats. He didn’t want more money or medals. He wanted a hand on his arm and his son within reach. That clarity becomes a compass. Gratitude stops being a platitude and starts working like a switch—crowding out despair with small, specific thanks. From there, he designs a new way to move: low-adrenaline training, no music, no cheering, and a coach who agrees to watch the clock and call the ambulance if needed.
The breakthrough is quiet and real. Mid-workout, Jeff quits—fully. His coach asks for 30 seconds just to end on a win. He tries. Nothing breaks. He tries again. He finishes the session in 30-second intervals, and a life philosophy takes shape: success isn’t a finish line, it’s the action you take today. Put on your shoes. Show up. Work for 30 seconds. Rest. Repeat. Along the way we talk about CrossFit community, cardiac arrest survival, ARVC-safe exercise, the psychology of fear, and why better questions—how is today treating you—build stronger connections than small talk ever could.
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Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, wherever you are in the world. And welcome to another episode of Glass Hat Full, a podcast and a safe platform where we talk with a variety of teachers, entrepreneurs, spiritualists, uplifters, givers, takers, and serenaders. Everyone has a lesson to learn and a lesson to share. Let's use our life experiences to enrich someone's heart, mind, spirit, and soul. Through sharing our experiences, we can be a learning inspiration for one another. I'm your host, Chris Levins. If you love the show and want to support us, you can become a monthly subscriber or make a one-time donation. Just look for the heart icon or the support link on our podcast platform. We're so grateful for your continued support. It helps us keep making this show even better. Let's welcome today's guest. Today's guest is Jeff Luther. Jeff Luther, a speaker, coach, entrepreneur, and father to three amazing young men. Jeff knows what it's like to have everything change in a heartbeat. Literally. After surviving a sudden cardiac arrest, being shocked three times with an AED, and being diagnosed with a rare heart condition, he made a decision that defines his life and work today to die living instead of live dying. Through his coaching platform, All Can No Can't, Jeff helps high performers and leaders reconnect with what matters most purpose, courage, and the power to live fully awake. Let's welcome Jeff Luther. Hello, hello, hello. How are you? I'm very well. Thank you for taking some time out to be a guest here on Glass Half Full. We're happy to have you today.
Jeff:Of course, yeah. Thanks for giving people like me the space. And I want to thank you for your preparation. You made me feel so welcome and so comfortable before this ever even started. I've been on a lot of podcasts, Chris. And I want you to know I appreciate your work in preparing this.
Chris:Wow. Thank you so much. I appreciate that as well. Thank you. That's a lovely compliment. Can you tell and I'm sure your audience gets the benefit of it. So kudos to you. Hats off. Thank you so much. I really, really appreciate that. Can you tell everyone where you are in the world and what time it is, please?
Jeff:Yeah, I'm in Charleston, South Carolina. So Southeastern U.S., and it is 9.06 a.m.
Chris:I love it. I can hear that southern drawl. It's so nice. My family is originally from the South, but I and I went to school in the South University in the South. Um, I love it. It's nice. Thank you so much for taking some time this morning. Well, we're gonna jump right on in. Well, right, you gotta tell us where you are what and what time it is. Oh, they all know where I'm at, but I'm happy to share that. I am in Tokyo, Japan, and it is 10.08, 10.07 p.m. on Friday evening on the 17th. Yes. Seven o'clock on a Friday. I'm in the future. I'm speaking to you from the future, yes. And all is well, let me tell you. Prepare for the good day. All is well. So I like to ask all my guests this first question. I believe that our lives are in spiritual design. Can you share your life layout or blueprint with everyone? Like how you grew up, your family lifestyle.
Jeff:Yeah, so I grew up the accent, really is from very, very rural Georgia. So I grew up in a in a super small town. I think there's 1,700 people there now. It had two gas stations, a post office, and an elementary school. Um couldn't get lost. Right. Grew up like I would say blue collar, probably closer to maybe purple collar, if there is such a thing. So like just below middle class. Okay. I'm the middle of three, so I have an older brother and a younger brother, three boys, and consequently, I have three boys now, three sons. Wow. And life was good. I mean, life was good. You know, I've got all the all the issues that everybody else has about the stuff that my parents did wrong and all that kind of stuff. They just, you know, they did the best they they could with the tools they had. But I was, you know, one of the kids that I would get on my bicycle in the morning on Saturday and I was gone until the street lights came on. I'd pop in somebody's house and have a baloney sandwich sometime during the day. I fished a lot as a kid. Me too.
Chris:That's awesome. Yeah.
Jeff:So fun. Yeah. And you know, and I could I could walk out of my house with a gun with a rifle, with a 22 rifle, wow, walk through the neighborhood and go squirrel hunting, and it wasn't a big deal. And you know, that just doesn't happen these days.
Chris:No, we're definitely in a different time. So correct. Yeah.
Jeff:Is that so is that does that paint kind of a picture?
Chris:Yes. And I'm wondering, is your was there any religion in your family? Was that something that was part of something that your family was a part of? Oh, we're gonna go there already, aren't we? Chris. Well, you know, it's part of the I feel like it's it's part of the design. We we want to yeah, yeah.
Jeff:So raised Southern Baptists. Okay, all right now. Which which which is part of my struggle today with religion. Okay, okay. Yeah, okay. And I want to go a little bit further. One of my first jobs in so my my first job was like as a kid, I cut grass. I was a good one. Me too. Oh my gosh, yes. No kidding. I dude, I stacked money under my bed. I was I printed my own money, loved it. So I cut grass in the neighborhood. Yeah, I drag a lawnmower around, and and and I'd and and I will say that I always was meticulous about the grass that I cut. I did a really good job because I was terrified about someone saying, Hey, you didn't do a good job.
Chris:And you know they would say it too.
Jeff:You know they would. Oh, for sure. So that was like my first job. Then, then when I got to where I could do uh and like a paycheck and pay taxes, I worked at a car wash in the city closest to this little town I lived in. And I remember like we went to church and there were people in the church. It seemed like the the most religious people in our church were the people that put the most money in the in the offering plate. And I and I don't mean to sound ugly or terse. I this is what I looked like for me as a kid. And then there was a man that was a really wealthy guy, really wealthy, affluent in this city that I lived in. And it and still the city was tiny. I mean, it was rural. And he brought his jaguar into the car wash one Sunday afternoon. And you know, he had the phone bag there in the front console. And you do you remember those? The bag phones? And so everybody's like, oh my gosh, you know, this guy's rich. And so, you know, and then he wanted his trunk vacuumed out, and he didn't know who I was, which is a yeah, yeah. Well, it can hang on, it gets better. So this he didn't know who I was, but I knew who he was. So he didn't know, like my dad was a deacon in the church, also. So this man, and I want to say his name so badly though, I want to uh don't get yourself in trouble now.
Chris:No rip rap on this podcast.
Jeff:That's right. And so he wanted his trunk vacuumed out, and I remember, like, yeah, you know, we can do that, and it just wasn't part of what we did. And he didn't recognize me in the conversation, but I knew exactly who he was. So he kind of spoke over me. And when I opened his trunk, there were beer cans in his trunk, empty beer cans in his trunk. So the first thing I do is judge him, right? That's the first thing I did was judge him. But the second thing I went to, okay, well, wait a second. We just sat through this sermon listening to how horrible we are as people, and of course, our you know, because that's what we did as Southern Baptists. But this guy drinks alcohol, and alcohol is bad, and all these things. So it painted this picture for me where then I started, I I took it upon myself to start noticing the bad in people instead of the good. And I and I hate that. But it was this people that that went to church and they acted a certain way on Sunday, and then they acted a different way all the rest of the week. Oh, right now. So that sort of shaped religion for me. And my dad included. My dad included in that.
Chris:Thank you. Thank you for your truth. Thank you for your truth on that. So did you go away to university? Do you have any degrees and certificates? Do you have a No and no and no and no?
Jeff:I so I didn't do well in high school. I didn't really care. I just wanted to get to the I wanted to get to my junior year so I could get to the early release program and go to work. That's what I wanted to do. Okay. So then I so when I graduated high school, like I mean, graduated, like they finally let me leave. They're like, okay, you're you're not gonna you're not gonna make much more of an effort, so let's just get you out of here. Then I I went to college for I went to a college, I went for a year, and I didn't like that. And then I went to technical school for about a year, and then I went to a community college for a little while. Okay. And none of it, you know, none of it, I didn't have time for any of it. None of it worked for me. I just wanted to go earn money. So then I jumped into I started in a corporate and corporate life at Georgia Pacific Corporation, which was uh it was a Fortune 500 at the time. And I I didn't that what didn't work for me. So I was there for a while. Ultimately, I started my own business as an entrepreneur and I built a multi-million dollar business on my own.
Chris:On your own. And how old are you at this time? I am 51. I mean, at this at the time you build your business.
Jeff:Oh sorry, I started, let's see, I started in 2002, 23 years ago. So I was probably 27. Okay. 26, 27.
Chris:And this was the first time did you come from a family with this idea of feeling like let's work for ourselves? Or did No. How did you get this idea? Where did it come from?
Jeff:I knew that I could do things better than other people were doing them. All right. Like I would see that all the time. Everywhere I went, I would see that in the service that I got. I was like, you know, I can do that better. It wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like I saw this big problem, like, whoa, I have this big problem. I want to cure cancer, and I want to, you know, it wasn't like Elon Musket's where I had a vision, but I saw things, I was like, you know, I can do that better than this, which there's room for improvement there. And I can do that. I love that. I love it. Yeah. So so that's how I started the business.
Chris:That is so great. Hey, that's attention to awareness, right? To being aware of what's going on and really seeing that there's a need that needs to be met, right? And so this is seeing this is why I got we got to get all these foundation blocks. They gonna they lead us up, they lead us up to the to you know the basic parts of the story to get us in. Okay. I just had a few more questions. Any pets? Do you guys have fish or any dogs, frogs? Did you grow up any? Yes.
Jeff:Uh, so I've I have a dog, I have a bird dog that I adopted. A bird dog, a Britney, a hunting dog.
Chris:Oh, okay. I never heard of that.
Jeff:All right. Yeah, the American Brittany or Brittany Spaniel. They look much like a cocker spaniel spaniel. Okay. Yeah. Yep, they look like a look just like a springer in color, but they're bigger, a little more slender. So bird dog that I adopted, he was a rescue. So I got into bird hunting. Upland hunting, upland birds. Okay. Woodcock, quail, pheasant. Wow. Could you get it? Could you catch them? Well, so here's the way it works, Chris is you go through the woods with your dog, and your dog just kind of takes off running. He just runs. But when he when he smells the bird, they're ground dwelling birds. So when he smells the bird, he stops and locks up on the bird and points you to where the bird is. Okay, okay. So then you walk up to where the bird is, you flush the bird out, you shoot it, and then the dog goes and fetches it for you, provided that you hit it. Now, you got to be a much better shot than me to do that with any consistency. But wow, okay.
Chris:That's the way it works. That is it. Okay, I wonder thank you for breaking that down because we only we see it on TV for all of us who don't do that, and we we're not really sure exactly. So now, folks, they get the flow of it. Okay. Well fun.
Jeff:And it's so fun because the dog, the dog is that's what they're uh that as far as they're concerned, that's the only reason they're alive is to do it. So to watch their excitement and how they love to work is so fun. And this dog is the love of my life.
Chris:Oh my gosh, that's so sweet to say. Wow.
Jeff:Yeah, he's so amazing.
Chris:Wow. Okay, all right. Then this leading us up to the next question. So there's three kids have appeared. Is yes, is there uh where did you meet the person who has given them life?
Jeff:Are you are you trying to tiptoe around am I married, divorced?
Chris:I look, I just wanted to lay it out because it wasn't given to us, but you know, we we want all the the little parts to lay out so we can get the fullness of the story, please.
Jeff:Yeah, so this is a in this is a good part of my story. All right, I lived in it, I grew up in a in a rural suburb of Georgia. Then I wanted to move to the big city. I bought my first house in downtown Atlanta in yeah. In uh 99, I think. 99, 2000, somewhere in that area in that range. It was a good year.
Chris:Um I graduated university in '99. Okay. So where'd you where did you go? Where'd you go to school? Yeah, Shenandoah University, Conservatory of Music in Winchester, Virginia. In the Shenandoah Valley. Very beautiful. Beautiful area.
Jeff:Very gorgeous area. So I bought my bought my first house there. I was in Atlanta. I worked downtown. I was working for the for the big company, and then they transferred me out to Denver. So I I'd applied for a position within the company out in Denver. So I got that job, and a bunch of friends threw me a going-away dinner, going away party. Okay. I met the woman that I married at that dinner. She lived in Atlanta. She was there with a friend of hers. So I met her there. I had the job in Denver, but I still had a job in Atlanta. So I was finishing the two out. I had an office in Denver, an office in Atlanta, and I would split my my time between the two. So I was flying back and forth, and I would see her when I when I came back to Atlanta. Ultimately, she ended up moving to Denver. So she was out there in Denver for almost two years. She hated it, so we moved back to Atlanta. Um and then ultimately got yeah. Ultimately got married, and then how old are you at this time? I was I was 27.
Chris:Okay, so the business has started. So this is before the business has started or after?
Jeff:This was right before. So I so I had gotten married, bought a house, and quit my cushy job. Okay, we was living on the same week. Wow, okay, okay, same week. We were living on the edge. Living on the edge, yeah. Yeah.
Chris:If um, I mean, I uh yeah. It's the time period. I get it, I get it. It's different now, and things are different, different. Okay, so we y'all you marry her and you begin to start a family. That's right. Okay.
Jeff:Had uh please had a first kid, and then shortly after it's like a year, almost two years, had our second, and then almost two years to the day we had our third.
Chris:Okay, you were really busy, Jeff. Y'all was y'all was y'all was really busy. That's it. Road home on the ambulance, right? Isn't that what that's called? Is it what it's called? I don't know. I didn't know there was a name for it. Okay. Yeah. Educate me. Okay. Wow.
Jeff:So yeah, it it there it's at a time in the past, women would go to hospital to have babies and they would and they would send them home in an ambulance. So, you know, we used to have a lot better service than we have now. So they would go home in an ambulance. Wow. And then those that would stack kids up, they would say, Oh, wow, your husband rode home on the ambulance, dude, with the you know, the assumption, yes. Yeah, that's hilarious. And I need to add here, Chris, that my third kid, my youngest, Knox, he is my favorite. So I know that we're not supposed to have to say that kids. Oh my god. But when I started, but when I started my podcast two years ago, he said, Hey Dad, would you ever say on there that I'm your favorite kid? And I'm like, you know what, dude? I'll say it every episode. I'll do it. Because he was bold enough to ask, I have to be bold enough to say. So he's my favorite.
Chris:Now, but is it true, or are you just saying it because you told him that you would say it? What's the truth now that we put that out? I just say it because I told him to. Okay, there it is. See, now that's that's all people ask the right questions, we get the correct correct answers here.
Jeff:Exactly right. This is it. I love your curiosity.
Chris:Thank you. Thanks, Jeff. Okay, so we are we bring us all up. We're gonna jump now. I want you to take us back to the day in the CrossFit Gym. I want to know what's the first thing that you remember before and after the moment, and then we're gonna talk about through the moment. Okay.
Jeff:So I'll I'll give a little preface here. Part of it is to build my ego, and part of it is to just to build it, build it, build it. Why not? Why not? I'm an avid runner. So I well, I used to be in a former life. I love to run, I'm competitive, I'm an athlete. CrossFit is my thing. I love it. And so back to your question about Okay, wait, can you can I pause you real quick?
Chris:Because maybe some people like my mom would not know what CrossFit is. Please break that down to people exactly what it is, because it's not just like I'm going to the gym.
Jeff:No, it is not. CrossFit is where high-intensity interval training started. So CrossFit is a marriage of everything we need to do in life to live. Like, you know, the the uh a burpee is difficult and it's a pain. The burpee is when you drop down to your chest and then you do a push-up, you jump up to your feet, and then you stand up, and then you jump up off the ground. Yes, and burpees are done in succession, like in groups of 10, 15, 20, whatever that is. But also this stretches into our adulthood and our and as we age, where you know, I've fallen and I can't get up. If we can keep moving and keep doing these simple movements, then we're never in a position where we have fallen and can't get up. So CrossFit is designed to be functional movement, it's very high intensity. Some workouts might only be six minutes, okay, and at the end of it, you you're dripping. You feel like yeah, you feel like you saw your life end.
Chris:Oh gosh.
Jeff:So it's super intense. It's designed with gymnastics, with weightlifting, with cardio, running, cycling, rowing, all of those things. It's a very intense exercise, and it's usually done in groups, you know, like in a gym. And the the gyms used to be very archaic, utilitarian. They were they were in bad parts of town, dirty, and that was kind of the grunge of CrossFit. So ours was in a big metal building.
Chris:Okay. Okay. So how long have you been doing CrossFit at this point?
Jeff:I've been doing it for seven years.
Chris:Okay. And you're a healthy person. We did you feel that you're a healthy person before this? Did you feel like, you know what, Chris? I eat well, I exercise, you know, I get that checked up. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jeff:Yeah, I'll I'll so the part the ego part. I ran a the week before this happened, I ran a 50k the week before I came in second place. Like that was. Did you say you came in second place? Second place, yeah. I showed up to the page.
Chris:Let me give me a little of this. Wow, that's huge.
Jeff:Well, I showed up to that race to win. That was the only reason I was there. I was gonna win. So so I'm fit. Uh you know, I'm I'm in shape. I believe you're in shape. Um that wow. So coming off of COVID, I started when I would run, like my favorite thing to do is run at three in the afternoon when it's super hot, super humid. Like I just like that, you know, I like the punishment of it. So I started getting heart heart palpitations. And so finally I went to a cardiologist and said, Hey man, you know, when I go on these long runs, I start feeling my pulse in my neck, it's elevated, it's high, it's intense, and I can feel my body kind of slow down. Something's not right. So we did all these tests, and he said, Jeff, look at you. You're totally fit. I mean, you're you're the pillar of health, you're fine. You're fine. Like, all right, I'm fine. So I just went back on my merry way. So ran that, I ran that ultra one week, and the next week I was in the CrossFit gym on a Saturday morning. I was with my 16-year-old son. He and I were doing the workout together. It was a partnered workout. For those that that don't know anything about CrossFit, when you do a partnered workout, it's like I do 10 deadlifts, you do 10 deadlifts. I do 10 squats, you do 10 squats. And that's what we're doing.
Chris:We repeating okay, we're mimicking. Yep. Okay.
Jeff:Yeah, yeah. And but you're trying to get to a logical end. Like if you had a hundred, a hundred burpees that you had to do, I would do 10 and you would do 10. And we'd do them as fast as we could until we did a hundred.
Chris:Okay.
Jeff:So one thing about a partner in workout, I have to watch you really closely so I know what number you're on, so I know when to start.
Chris:Okay.
Jeff:Also, if I start to get a little bit of an edge on you in the workout, then I can really bury you. Because I can do 10 really fast and you haven't had much time to rest, then you have to do 10 and you're slow, so it gives me more time to rest. So it's so it's like a it's a delicate dance. So me and my son are partnered together. We're paying very close attention to each other. I'm starting to get a little bit of an edge on him, which feels really good. It's like the last time that'll ever happen. And we started wall balls, and I felt my pulse do that same thing again. So I was like, dang it. You know, I just had this let me stop for just like two seconds and then it'll catch up. What it got worse, and then it got worse, and then it got worse, and finally I was like, I I've got to take a knee. Oh my gosh. I started to get faint. Then it still didn't, it still got worse. So it's like I have to take another knee. And one of the things about it is there was a guy there, he put his hand on my shoulder, and I was like, Hey, uh I'm scared, I'm vulnerable, I don't know what's happening. Get your hand off me. And then in a flash, I was like, Whoa, I'm scared, I'm vulnerable, I don't know what's happening. Please do not let me go. Don't let me go. And then I got faint, and I was like, I've gotta lie down. And I started going out, and as I was laying down on the ground, I saw my son's shoes walking towards me. And that is the very last thing I remember because I saw his shoes, I was like, I've gotta get up. And I remember my brain telling my body to move, but my body had no hydraulic fluid. I just couldn't, I couldn't move, and then I was out, that was it.
Chris:Wow. And so you're out. Now we're gonna come back to the the time of being out. When you wake up again when your eyes open, where are you? What's happened? Where where do you think?
Jeff:When I wake up, yes, when I wake up, I I know I like I pick up life almost exactly where I left up. Oh, I was a little foggy. Yeah, yeah. I wake up, I knew, I knew I was at CrossFit. I was wet, which was bizarre because they'd put ice on me while I was at Worcover. But I look at the coach and I had this horrible taste in my mouth. It was like a really it was like a hangover, you know. Like I don't I I haven't I don't drink, but I but I but I have and I have no opposition to it. But it's like I I got wasted the night before, and you have that horrible taste in your mouth. Just everything's yucky, it's dry. Yeah, so I just related it to that, and I look at the coach and I was like, oh my gosh, do I smell like booze? Because I must have gotten drunk last night, thought I could work out, and I fainted. And there was a girl that was also there, she was working out, she's right beside me in the wall balls, and and she was and she's super cute. So I had sort of a crush on her. And I looked at her and I said, Hey, were we doing a sit-up contest? So it was like it's like, you know, if you're falling asleep and someone talks to you, you kind of you you merge life with your dream and you try to talk, and then you're like, oh wait, that's not right. Okay. So it was like that. And then I and then I really came to you. I could I knew where I was the night before, everything. I couldn't piece together that morning. I woke up screaming. So that's I don't know if that's what woke me up or if I woke up to that. But screaming, I mean like screaming, like people still talk about yelling. Oh yeah, yeah. And and people, and but it wasn't it was just the most bizarre, like the most visceral come from my gut scream. And people still talk about it. They're like, that's the most eerie thing I've ever seen.
Chris:So it was something more like in like in the pain or in some discomfort, that type of scream we're talking about. I I think so, yeah. Or fear. Okay.
Jeff:Maybe.
Chris:Wow. And so do you remember screaming or waking? Like, did you rise up screaming? Did you let were you laying? Yes, I sat up. Because this is what I imagine the force of air would move that you would have to move to bellow out, like it would force you out, right? To move up at least. Okay. Right. And so you scream out, then you come, you do you then you just start talking?
Jeff:This is just kind of start talking. I look around, and I and I remember I knew something had happened, and I thought that I had passed out. So I looked around and I was trying to be cool. It's like I just tripped and I didn't want anybody to notice it.
Chris:Thank you for your honesty. I love that. Yeah. Especially with old girl nearby, you didn't want to feel like, hey, you know. That's why you do the little joke on the side, like, hey, you know. And see over here, like, dude, we just saw you come out and you just yelled your sp your soul out of your body. Like, we we are you okay? Like, okay. So has the ambulance been called? Do they say, hey, we'll do it. They're coming in. Okay, all right, all right.
Jeff:Take us, they're coming in. Take us to it. So they're coming in. So so I looked down, I've got pads, those I've got pads and on my chest, stuck to my chest and wires, my shirts off, and I'm starting to piece it all together. Then the the ambulances there's like, hey, you know, and they were very condescending. Like, how much pre workout did you do and all this stuff? And uh none. So then I start realizing, and I when I said that to the coach, I said, Hey, I'm sorry, you know, I must have gotten drunk last night and came in here and thought I could work out, and I and I and I passed out. And he said, No, that's that's not it. So then he was talking to the ENC. He said, Hey, he just he just ran this big race last week. Maybe he's dehydrated. I don't know what happened. The guy's fit. And they're having this exchange. And then they start putting me on the on the stretcher to take me to an ambush. And I was like, I don't need to go to a hospital. I'm fine. I don't need to go to a hospital. This is ridiculous. Um, but I but they convinced me to go, and so I decided to go.
Chris:Hmm. Okay, so you get to the hospital. I'm sure your son is freaked out.
Jeff:Yeah.
Chris:Because he's 16. You know, I mean anybody would be freaked out, but like you're a teenager and this is your dad. It's like, what is going on? So he's go, he's with you in the ambulance. You guys go to the hospital.
Jeff:No, he left. So I'll tell you a little a little side note about CrossFit. CrossFit is known for the community. It's the CrossFit community. So when this happened, I'm I'm out. They you know they immediately thought that it was just heat because this is June in Charleston, South Carolina. I'm in a metal building with no air conditioning over in the corner. So they're heat stroke. Yeah, maybe. Right. They lay me on my back, they put my legs, they're you know, slapping me around, put ice on me, and then someone says, Whoa, he didn't have a pulse. So then the pandemonium starts. And there, and there was a woman there's fortunate because there's a woman there who also is the safety director for our aquarium here in Charleston. So she takes charge, like, all right, someone start chest compressions and go get the defibrillator. So they did that, and my son's like, whoa, wait. Well, my weightlifting coach was also there. So she's at my head, you know, trying to talk to me, holding my hand. And then Cash, my son, is is standing over me. Everybody's kind of in a circle around me, watching all this happen. They put the defibrillator on me, and the the way the defibrillator works is it has to detect some sort of rhythm. You know, it's not like the movies where they shock a dead person back to life. It has to detect an electrical signal to short that signal or to use that signal to get the heart back on rhythm. So when they first put it on me, there was no signal. So it said do chest compressions. So they're doing chest compressions. Then it found a signal and it said initiate shock. So you press the button to shock, and it shocked me. And I and it I flatlined, so it gives an audible flatline. So that's when everybody kind of everybody lost their mind. There's a video of this actually. The Jim had a dammer said.
Chris:Stop it. You are on social media dying. No, no, no, no, no. No one no one ever put it out. No. Okay. I'm like people stop it. Like, oh my gosh, like, wow. But still, the fact that you could look at this yourself in technology today, that's a lot, you know, for self. You know, okay.
Jeff:Still haven't watched it.
Chris:Hey, at this point, I you've lived it.
Jeff:Like that's so everybody loses it. You know, people scream, and my son loses his mind. So, you know, of course. So Jen, so Jen, our weightlifting coach, she gets up, she picks him up, because she picks him up to walk him back. She starts walking him back away from me, and everybody makes a circle around me, so he can't see. Okay. So he's just lost it. And then so they create like a curtain where he doesn't see what's happening. And she ends up taking him outside and then takes him home, takes him to my house. Okay. So he's gone. Okay. And that was one of the things that that I would that bothered me when I woke up. I couldn't find him. Okay.
Chris:Okay. So let's get into it. So that how long before that thing eight minutes.
Jeff:I was I was out for eight minutes with with literally no pulse, no breath. Now that's a bit of time.
Chris:You know what I mean? Like commercial breaks seem forever, and they're only like, you know, 60 seconds of that. Yeah. That's a long time to be out. Now, of course, I just want to touch while we're in this talking about the fact that you were out in this time. Was there anything that happened to you that while you were out in this time? Was there any type of spiritual thing or anything that happened that you would say that you could remember when you woke up consciously?
Jeff:Nothing. Okay. Nothing that I recall. Nothing. And I'm saying consciously, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I need to make up a really fun answer for people because they ask me that a lot.
Chris:Well, you know, because when people come back, because people do have stories. You know, I've had a few guests that have gone and things have happened. They, you know, and they can remember, so they're able to tell some of the story of it. Some people don't remember like you. They're like, I don't remember. And they do like hypnotherapy to find out, oh, that you know, something actually did happen, and you know, there's all these little things of that sort. But okay, so eight minutes out, I'm sure they are thinking that you are dead.
Jeff:Oh, yeah, yeah. Because it they it shocked me again, it detect rhythm again, shocked me again, flatlined again, and then the third time is when when I came to.
Chris:Wow. Okay, so how has this situation, this this that moment, how has it affected your life today? How has this propelled? What has this done from this moment on? What is give us a little taste of the things that have happened?
Jeff:At the hospital, I was in the hospital for about four days. They couldn't figure out what was wrong. They're like, oh my gosh, you know, you're so fit. How'd you have cardiac arrest? What happened? So after four days, they diagnosed me with ARVC, arrhythmogenic right ventricular cardiomyopathy. So it's genetic and it's a problem with my right ventricle. Okay. The issue is that a healthy heart, when you exercise, the muscle fiber in the heart wall, they tear and then they were built back stronger. That's why we're encouraged to exercise.
Chris:Okay.
Jeff:With this disease, when I exercise, the muscle fiber in my heart tears and then it's infiltrated with fat and scar tissue.
Chris:Oh, wow.
Jeff:The heart wall is where the electrical signal travels. So it creates a problem with my signal. It's not a plumbing blood flow problem. Okay. It's just a signal problem. Connecting, yeah. So when I got my diagnosis, they told me all this. They said, exercise is going to kill you. You have to stop. No. In a nutshell.
Chris:Oh no.
Jeff:Yeah. Wow. Uh, and I was like, oh, well, y'all have this so wrong. I don't know how you could get this so wrong because that's not true. Deny it. And yeah, I I got it. So I got a defibrillator implanted. So I do have a defibrillator implanted in my body, so I don't need an external one. Now what does that mean?
Chris:That yes, please.
Jeff:So the shock that that finally brought my heart back online, now I have that internally implanted in my body and it monitors my heart continuously.
Chris:So if it will shock on its own if things happen, is that what you're doing? That's correct. Okay, okay.
Jeff:Yep. Oh, so if I get if I go into a bad rhythm and my and my heart stops, then it will it will shock to bring my heart back.
Chris:I didn't even know they had something like that. Wow, that's awesome. Okay, yeah. Wow. Now, are you being beeped when you go through the airport? Are we dealing with yeah?
Jeff:I have to go through so it's metal. I have to go through that whole body thing. I just wondered that because it's a weird question to ask, but I just wondered, it just popped into my head. Oh, well, let me so so let me tell you this. Uh oh. When I I have two funny stories. Do share, do share. The first one is when when I was getting this all done, you know, this is all new to me. I'm scared and I don't know what's happening, you know, kind of thing. So they're talking about, I was just asking all these questions, like, what you know, what if it quits? What if it doesn't work? And I said, Oh, well, you know, there's a magnet in there. Because I was worried, I was hearing all these stories, these horror stories about people getting shocked like 50 times driving to the emergency room. And I was like, I don't want that to happen to me. Like, if I start getting shocked like 50 times, do I have to come here? Do I have to cut it out? Like, what happens? And they said, No, you have a magnet. There's a magnet on this thing that we can put on the outside that will it's like an on-off switch. So you put a real strong magnet that's designed to just turn it off, to shut it off. Oh, okay. Well, do you know how metal detectors work? No, it's a magnet. So there's a magnet, and if you if it detects metal, that magnet pulls to a sensor and causes the beep. Oh no. So yeah, I went to the first time I went through, went to a I think it was a graduation, but it was at a convention center, so they wand you down. I was like, hey, don't wand me here. And this guy, first thing he does is wands me there. So I freak out, you know, it's beeping and everything. I was like, oh my god, you just turned my defibrillator off. Which he didn't, but that's how I lived like this fear of that. Wow.
Chris:Yeah. And now you don't have the fear now, currently.
Jeff:Now I don't, no. Like I've accidentally walked through metal detectors. I I I just the further you get from trauma, the healthier you become. All right now. So you the time is your friend. So the you know, is you you just you take a step forward and you get more distance. You take a step forward, you get more distance. So the further I've gotten, the the more, you know, because things, you know, I I got wanted at the stadium by that guy or at the Coliseum by that guy, and it didn't kill me. And then I I went through a metal detector by accident, it didn't kill me. So yeah, I have to do all of that stuff.
Chris:I know that's right. Stepping out on faith a little bit. That's it. Right. You talk about rebuilding your life 30 seconds at a time. Can you explain what that means and how it has become part of your healing process?
Jeff:Yeah, just kind of looping back to what I was talking about. So so I told the doctors, I was like, Oh, yeah, y'all got it wrong. So I waited 30 days because I had just had that had surgery, and then I went back to the gym. No, yeah, I did I didn't what? I did what any smart male athlete would do, Chris. See started working out again.
Chris:It's that ego. You'd be like, sit it down, sit it down. Wow. Yeah, you were asking for it.
Jeff:So yeah, I went back, everything was fine. I went back, I was working out, I was like, see, I can work out, it's fine, and then it happened again. Ooh, June the yep, June the 12th was the first time, July 29th was the second time. Oh, we ain't even made it a month. Wow. A little over a month. A little over a month. Yeah, like a month, a month and a half. But when it happened the second time, you you remember the taste that I had that I said I had in my mind? Mm-hmm. Like a yeah. So the second time I I consciously had that taste. So I knew I went into atrial fibrillation for 46 seconds. What does that mean? And I knew my heart quivered. Okay, it didn't, it wouldn't beat, it would quiver. So the the beat was getting lost. The signal to complete the the heart beat was getting lost. Wow. So it just quivered. And you imagine take a bulb, you know, like a like a turkey baster. So a turkey baster, if it's full of liquid, you have to squeeze it to make that liquid go out. So if you if you don't squeeze it, but you just barely, barely quiver it a hundred times a minute, there's no flow. But if you squeeze it real slow one time a minute, then you get flow. So my heart would quiver, it wouldn't beat. And that's what happened. It happened for it, was it in in VF for 46 seconds? Oh my gosh. That is full on. But I knew, I knew, I knew, not like, oh, I knew I would like him, he's a good guy. I knew that I was dying. I knew that's what was happening. I had the tastes, I had all of it, and that's where the wheels fell off. That's when everything changed. And I'll tell you this to anybody that's listening, you know, we always talk about oh, life is short, do the thing. Oh, write that book. Hey, build that business, do that podcast, all these things. So true. When I was dying, I never once thought I should have made more money. I should have had a more successful business. My son was right behind me in the gym. When I was dying, all I wanted, and all I could think about, even in the hours after, I wanted to turn around and hug my son. I wanted the I wanted to touch the the coach was right beside me, Stacey Barclay, who is an amazing, amazing person. I wanted to touch her arm. I just wanted to connect. I wanted to connect with people. That's what I wanted. I never thought about what I didn't do. I never thought about, oh, I'm missing out on life. I just wanted connection right there. I wanted someone to look at me and grab my arms and say, hey, it's it's okay. You're gonna be okay. I wanted connection with people.
Chris:Wow.
Jeff:So connect with people. That's this is to your whole audience. Connect with people. Ask someone, ask someone today how their day is treating them, not how they're doing. How's this? How's today going for you? So total sidebar. That that was so then I became so scared. I and and that sent me into depression because now I knew the disease was real. And also I was scared. I was scared to go up steps. I was scared to drive. I was scared to the fear. I was scared to take a shower. Yeah. I was scared to take a shower because I didn't want to be alone in a bathroom. And here's here's the thing. I wasn't scared of dying necessarily. It's like people, you know, we're scared of a plane crash. Well, we're not scared of the plane crash because that's instant. What we're scared of is the 60 seconds of everybody screaming and peeing their pants as we go to the ground. So that's what I was afraid of. The the reliving that 46 seconds. That's that's the fear. And it was so real. And then a month later, Chris, is when my wife of 23 years filed for divorce. So I was in a really dark place.
Chris:Now let me ask you about this. Was this something that was happening even if you did not have this heart, this cardiac arrest? Was the was the marriage already going to be, or was this because of what had happened?
Jeff:No, I think it's the opposite. I think that the heart issue came about like just broken heart syndrome. Because she had already started. She had already registr the divorce was all was imminent. Okay. This is it, okay. Got it. Got it. So I'll s people do not care. And I don't mean this terse. This is not an ugly thing. I there's no other way to say it. People do not care what happens to you. They don't. But people care how you respond. And what I mean by that is like I tell my story, and it's and to me, like, it's hard for me to tell the story without crying, especially the part with my son, my son watching it, and Jen taking him away, and all those people being so present to block his view of me. Like all those things. It's just it's so emotional for me. But you can't get there. You know, your audience can't get there.
Chris:Yeah.
Jeff:Like when I went back to the gym, people would come to me and say, Oh man, I'm glad you're back. Hey, one time I had this shoulder thing. So they want to be there, but they can't. It's just and not but but they can always identify with how we respond to things. So my kids were watching and I I knew like I when I tell you that like people say life is short. I don't know that life is short, Chris. For a time there, life got very, very long for me. Almost too long. So then I had to figure it out. Like my kids were watching. I was like, I was like, Jeff, you you have to move. You have to do something. You can't live in this dark pit that you're in. And then like Tony Robbins has this thing. I I guess it started with him, I don't know. Where like he'll say, Okay, well, what's what's great about this? And you know, your answer's like, well, nothing. This sucks. Nothing's great. But I had to I had to find something else, and then that's when I started gratitude. I didn't know gratitude was such a big deal, but I was like, okay, well, I have to find it's a huge, it's so huge.
Chris:Yeah, but you know being angry and being gratitude, you know, giving gratitude, they both can't be in the same presence. You can't be you can't be upset and give gratitude. So it totally knocks out that sense of you know the heavy or the negative part of it when you're giving gratitude. Please continue.
Jeff:But I want to touch on what you just said, what you just said, and you say it no sh non so nonchalant, probably because that's how you live, which I think is so admirable. And at the same time, what you're saying is so huge, it's so big, and we don't realize it. They can't exist in the same in the same space. But I didn't realize that. And when I tell my story, people would say, Oh my gosh, I bet you're so grateful. Oh my gosh, God has a plan for you. Oh my gosh, I bet you hit your knees praying every morning. Oh my gosh, you're such a new person, you know. And I and I could I was like, no, what do you mean God has a plan? Where was God Saturday morning? Was it boiling over? Why you know? It's just and I was and I I was so bitter and so angry and so lost that I couldn't find gratitude. And even before all of this happened, I'm not bragging about this, but I you know, I'm not proud to say it, but I was never grateful. I just didn't understand. It wasn't that I was ungrateful, I just didn't understand, and I had never made that conscious effort. I wasn't ungrateful for things, I just never stopped. One thing that comes to mind, I just never stopped to think about how lucky I was that I had a clicker for a PowerPoint presentation, and I didn't have to walk over to my computer and hit the arrow button to move every slide. So small. But it's it's finding those things. So I started writing, I started keeping a gratitude journal, right? We just write down a few things, and they were all simple things, like you know, I'm grateful that I like can walk. I'm grateful that that my I didn't have brain damage in the eight minutes, all these things. And so one day I'm I'm kind of struggling for for gratitude. And where I live, I'm I'm in on the on the ocean, so coastal town, and you know, I fish a lot, and there like one there's a shrimp season, so we'll go out and net shrimp, and that's one of my favorite things to do. And that's like, you know, I'm like shrimp in today and it'll be fun. I'm grateful that I can go. And then I was like, you know, why do some people have a shrimp allergy and some people don't? I'm so glad I don't. Wait a second. Yeah. And so then I was like, well, wait, it's because their body is different and their body responds differently. Well, maybe, just maybe my body will respond differently to this disease. So then that gave me permission to start looking into the disease and see if there was anything I could do health-wise, you know, because health is important to me. I was working out with my son when it happened. I connect with my kids through activity. I play spike ball with my kids. We wrestle, I work out with them. It was an important thing for me. That's how I process that that's part of my identity. So then I started doing research and I found some ways that I could exercise. So, Chris, I did what any smart male athlete would do. I went back to the gym. Oh my gosh. But I did it different. Okay. I researched the things I could do. I found a coach, and I went to my coach and I said, Hey, here's what I need. So also the the ketochalamines, the chemicals, the that the neurotransmitters, the things that carry endorphins, the good chemicals we get from exercise, those are bad for my heart, too. Okay. So adrenaline, all that kind of stuff. So I went to my coach, I said, Hey, here's what I need. These are the types of workouts that I can do. This is the type of movement that I can do. So, one, can you help me? Can you help me write workouts that aren't too difficult, that follow these guidelines that I can do and that I'll enjoy? Two, can you can you come to the gym with me? No lights, no music, no people. You can't cheer me on because that'll give me adrenaline. I don't want that. I don't want the neurotransmitters. And then three, are you willing to call an ambulance if I die? And he said, yeah. That's heavy, isn't it? It is.
Chris:I'd be like, you got to pay extra for this, Jeff. Like, we're gonna have to put a little extra on this one. Right. Oh my gosh, wow.
Jeff:Wow.
Chris:Yeah.
Jeff:But he he agreed to it. So I and I went back to the gym, and the first day back, I got to the gym and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so stupid. It's gonna happen again. And I started, you know, I started warm-ups and I knew it was coming, and it didn't. Do you remember Sanford and son?
Chris:Yes, of course. Oh, Elizabeth, this is the big one. This is it. Oh, yeah. My hand over the heart. Yes. Yep.
Jeff:That was the way I was living. Oh my gosh. So then we finally we started the workout. I warmed up and I felt it coming, and nothing happened. So we started the workout, and he he was he laid out everything for me. I started out with kettlebell, kettlebell push presses. So you got to pick the kettlebell up, you rack it on your shoulder, you dip, you dip your knees, and you drive the kettlebell up, and then you bring it back down to your shoulder. Dip your knees and you drive it up. So it's not very strenuous, but after you do several of them, you start to get winded. Yeah. Yeah. So I did probably 10, I guess I'm just guessing. And I paralyzed. I dropped the kettlebell and I said, I quit. I'm done. And and I started crying. And not crying like, oh boy, that's a sad movie. I mean crying like I just got into spanking as a child, hyperventilating, crying. And I said, I quit, I'm done. And and Chris, in that moment, I quit. And what I mean is, I quit. I quit on life. I quit on my kids. I quit on me. I quit on that coach. I quit on everything. I quit. And if there's anybody listening that's ever felt that, I am so sorry you felt that because it was, it's horrible. It was the worst feeling ever. And I did, and I did it. I was responsible for it. It's what made it even worse. So I quit. And he said, Okay, I gotcha. You can quit. But just give me 30 seconds. Let's end on a win. Just work for 30 seconds. That's all I'm asking for. 30 seconds, and then we'll be done. And I said, No, no, I quit. You don't get it. I quit. And so we argued back and forth. He's like, Yeah, I know I know, I get it, but you're I just I need you to end on a win. So I finally I was like, and there was cussing. Like, I mean, oh, I'm sure you look at the man.
Chris:I'm sure you was giving a lot.
Jeff:Yeah, I was mad. I mean, it was just so finally I was like, all right, I'll do it. And I I wanted I wanted something bad to happen to prove to him that I was right.
Chris:Wow. Crazy, right? Thank you for sharing that truth. But it's it makes sense because you wanted to show him I told you to let it go. Like I was done. And now I've yeah, it makes sense. And we get it on our side when we say, Yeah, you was feeling like C, and this is what you yeah, this is what's gonna happen.
Jeff:But so I said, All right, so I gave 30 seconds and I stopped. And he said, That's it, that's a win. You did it. That's amazing. Yeah. And nothing happened. He said, he said, you won. We're done. I said, uh I think I have another 30 seconds. He said, do it. If you want, do it. You want 30 more seconds? 30 more seconds. So I did another 30 seconds. He said, That's that's more than I asked for. You went above and beyond. This is amazing. And he, you know, he kind of talked me up, and then we were done. I said, you know, I think I can do another 30 seconds. He said, I'll tell you what, let's do this. You work 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off, I'll watch the clock and just do as much as you want or as little as you want. And I finished that entire workout, 30 on and 30 off. So I went from quitting to to choosing and to get my life back. And that's where it all changed. That's where I got my life back, 30 seconds at a time. And that's that's it. People ask me now, hey man, how's your heart? 30 seconds, don't get shocked. That's it.
Chris:Uh I love it. I love it. I love it. And you know what? It's just we have this saying, right? Isn't it just a little by little? Right? Yeah, you know, and it's it is just this, just little by little. But we we move past that in life. We we just want to get it done, especially when we're used to being so independent and doing, but little by little, my grandmother said, Yeah, you can you can do it. Saving everything. You can you can have what you have little by little. So yeah, 30 seconds at a time. I love that. That's a great motto. That's a great motto. That's that's teacher worthy.
Jeff:Take a step, the ground will find you. You know, like it found me. It found me on my face. Wow. But I got up. You know, you take a step, the ground will find you, you don't fall forever. And yeah, like even like saving, saving money. It's hard because we want the end, we want the end immediately. But $20. I mean, that who wants, I mean, that's $20. We'll do $20 five times. Now we're a hundred. Yep.
Chris:Yep. So oh, that's great, Jeff. I love that. I love that. I want to ask you: you said that our beliefs don't shape our future, they shape our present. What's a belief that you have completely had to rewrite after this experience?
Jeff:Uh the the success is measured in the action. That's that's a belief. Success is measured in the action. You know, success. So we set these goals, and then we think the goal is success. Okay. So if my success is to is to let's put it in weightlifting terms, my success is to deadlift 300 pounds. Does that mean once I do it, then I have to stop? No, my goal is going to shift, but the success is putting my shoes on and going to the gym and doing the exercise. Yeah, that's the success. So that's a belief that I have to change. I had to come and I I didn't realize that. Yeah, I had to, I had to figure that out.
Chris:That's a big one. And that and that opens so much because that's something that you can teach your your boys who are young, right? Yeah. That and that is the foundation. I feel like it's the young people, that's what the attack is on, is the the young people and their minds. Oh, you know, the young it's they're not as made like they used to, you know, with all the social media, the people's, you know, the young minds are just a little weak. And you know, so this is it that you can share this type of knowledge with your sons, you know, men who are growing out in the world that can continue to share and pass this knowledge on, you know. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. Success is, yeah, we're gonna see it. I love that. I love that. That's a great expression and and understanding. We can all understand that as well. I'd like to ask all my guests this final question. Is your glass half empty or half full? What day?
Jeff:Um that's good. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna answer you, but it's gonna be a little bit longer. Okay. And I'll tell you some, so it's hard. Like I just had a conversation with someone yesterday. Sometimes it's hard for us to give ourselves permission to be happy because the person next to us might not want to see us happy. So we go down to their level. And I and I think the brain is wired to find the holes, and sometimes it's okay to kind of you know, be in your feels or be sad. But what I've started to do for my own self is when I get there, because it's easy for me to get there with it with all of this, with the with the divorce, with the heart, with the way my life changed, and that's part of ego, but I remind myself how good my life is, and I think that's ha a half full.
Chris:Yeah, that goes back to that gratitude, right? Yeah. You know, where you're just that you're you're here to be able to say, uh, you know, I'm grateful.
Jeff:You know, and they and you know, we've all heard comparison is the thief of joy. So what we'll do is say, okay, uh, my life is really good, because there are some people that have to fight for food. Well, isn't that comparison? So then why don't we just stop and say, okay, well, this is my life. My life is really good, and here are the good things about it. And we can always find I mean, I got to talk to you today. You're so fun to talk to. I love that. My life is good. I agree.
Chris:My life is good as well. That's so great. And what a great answer. What a great answer. Do you have any final thoughts for our listeners? Anything that you want to leave us with?
Jeff:So I have uh there are five, I have like five lessons in dying. One of those is do the damn thing.
Chris:I like that.
Jeff:Not because life is short, but because it's so much easier than you think. What's the very first thing how are we gonna get to the top of Mount Everest? Well, one, we're gonna just take a step. We're just gonna take a step. We don't get there without a step. So just do the damn thing. That's what I would say.
Chris:I love that. And you know what? Just taking someone else said that we have to give ourselves shine or give ourselves praise when we just even if we get the clothes on to go to the gym and just pick up our keys and just don't leave out of the house, the fact that we have you know prepared to get ourselves there is a step in the right direction. So that's 100%.
Jeff:And and oftentimes what we do is we we would go, Oh my god, I'm I've I got dressed, I went to the gym, I did the workout, I only did it halfway, and I should have worked harder and I didn't. Yep. Hey man, I got up I and I got out of the house on time. I put workout clothes on and I made it to the gym. Okay. Success.
Chris:Yes. Yes. This is it. And you know what? Sometimes we have to go through something to realize that the definition of the textbook success is not what we really think. You know, when we can really experience it for ourselves, we can really have a better understanding of what it really means. And then we can really start trying to live in our purpose and live to do more outside of that. It's like basically unlearning the things that we've learned and like peeling off the things that we expressions we say because this is how we're supposed to say it, you know. It's it's a lot, you know. But yeah, I feel like when you're able, when the veil is off and you're able to see, there's no going back. And so you're able to continue to share this with people. And I think that is the powerful tool that we can continue to do. So I love that. I love that. For sure. So tell us if people want to find out a little bit more about you. How can they get a hold of you? What where can they find you at? Tell us, Jeff.
Jeff:Sure, yeah. Uh email me, jdleuther at gmail.com. You can follow my Instagram antics, all can no can't on Instagram. My podcast is all can no can't.
Chris:Yes, yes. We don't change to get into it, but yes, all of this stuff will be listed as well. We love it. I love the podcast name too. So great.
Jeff:It's I was everything I can't do this, I can't do this, I can't do this. Like I was getting all back into this, and I was doing it. You were negative Nancy, honey.
Chris:You were negative Nancy.
Jeff:Right. Yeah. And I was gonna I was gonna do a workout one day with my son, and we were writing the workout. We have a gym in our in our home, and we were writing it out, and he's and I wrote out something for him, and then I changed it for me. And he said, Why are you scaling those lifts? I said, Because I can't do them. He said, Oh, you can, you're just scared.
Chris:Oh, he called you out. Yeah, he called you bluff. Yeah, see, they know, and they know how look, he's the son, he know the things to say to get you. Yeah, yeah. That's funny. You're like, oh, okay. So what happened? Did you do it? I did it. And I'm still here. I love it. Yes, thank God, thank God you are to be able to talk about it. I love it, I love it. Oh, that's so great. Thank you so much for taking some time out in your day to be a guest here on Glass Hat Full. We are so happy to have had you today. Yeah, I'm lucky to be here. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yes, my pleasure. And all this information will be listed when the episode comes out so people can easily find it because you know no one's writing things down today. So it'll be able to be just a click away. We thank you for your time. Have a wonderful and grand and great day ahead of you. We'll be in touch real soon. Thank you. Bye bye.